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Questions are being asked about the way police and intelligence services handled an anti-terror raid in east London after the release of two men

"Two brothers Abul Koyair, 20, and Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23 who was shot in the raid, were freed without charge on Friday evening"

After the raid, the papers talked about a cyanide bomb. There were initially press reports that one brother had shot the other (whereas it now appears that he'd headed downstairs to see who was breaking into his house, not realising that it was the police - who then shot him, in circumstances that'll undoubtedly be investigated).

Oh, and government officials said both suspects had "extensive criminal records" - although Julian Young, Mr Koyair's solicitor, has stated that his client has no such record - and the government officials stopped making any such claims a couple of days back...

Let's not forget that they also detained the neighbours - and if the quote about a police officer striking one of them across the head with a gun butt is true, that was also a complete mess.

And let's also remember this particular quote:

One senior security source said: "We are absolutely certain this device exists and could be used either by a suicide bomber or in a remote-controlled explosion."

Date: 2006-06-10 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wechsler.livejournal.com
"Evidently theseis Weapon of Media Distraction *must* exist, and if they are not found, we will have no alternative but to invade Shoreditch".

Date: 2006-06-10 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mhw.livejournal.com
What's the fuck's a 'cyanide bomb' supposed to be?

unirrupted fluctuation

Date: 2006-06-10 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] platitudes-r-us.livejournal.com
Always run up your parser.

Date: 2006-06-10 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paul-sticks.livejournal.com
250 officers in one raid...one victim of a shooting...

..I wonder if the chief constable can say the following words "clusterfuck"

Another bloody farce, what's the world coming to?

Date: 2006-06-11 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zarbi.livejournal.com
So what is the alternative? Knowing that there almost certainly are many groups in this country planning attacks, and some of these attacks could be devastating....

As the Observer said today (very wisely in my view) "Better a bungled raid than another terrorist outrage"...

"The cult of martyrdom makes Islamist terror especially dangerous: it is hard to deter someone who craves death. This is why al-Qaeda's preference for indiscriminate mass murder justifies a more pre-emptive approach to arrests. It is better occasionally to kick down the wrong doors than to allow a tragedy for fear of causing offence."

Anyone critical of this has to come up with alternatives.... I can't think of one.

Date: 2006-06-12 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrph.livejournal.com
Better intelligence, better planning, trying not to shoot people quite so casually? Not distorting the facts just after a raid and resisting the temptation to feed the press with unproven information.

And avoiding things like clubbing neighbours with gun-butts.

Look at the number of people arrested so far - and the number who've actually been charged. There's a very big difference there. Which suggests that either we're getting the right people without the necessary evidence, or we're arresting the wrong people.

Either way, it makes the police look stupid and the muslim community feel victimised.

Date: 2006-06-12 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Fair points.

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